“Social” Clymer & the 2nd Abbotsford Port Neptune Sea Scouts
When you pick at the threads of a wooden boat story, sometimes the fabric unravels to reveal a history and a culture you knew nothing about. This happened for me when SWS recieved this email from Maya Courtfield.
Hello,
I came across your website while researching a boat made by Bill Clymer. I’m Chair of our local 2nd Abbotsford Port Neptune Sea Scouts. We have had this boat for a long time stored in our boatshed, but have made the decision to sell it. The Scouts no longer use it, and it is taking up a lot of room in our boatshed instead of our active sailing boats.
We’d be very grateful if you could share any recommendations on how to sell the boat, or it’s historical significance. I need to ask a few of our old scout fellows if they know the history of it, but the group has been around since 1932, but not sure how long the boat has been here for!
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Warm regards,
Maya Corfield
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Well, I know nothing about the Port Neptune Sea Scouts or Bill Clymer but a quick internet search (google is not a verb) uncovered a wonderful transcript of an interview with Bill made in 1996.
We asked Rod Rodgers the creator of the site mypaipoboards for permission to reproduce the article and he kindly agreed. So here it is in full. It certainly opened my eyes to a whole realm of Australian Wooden Boat craftsmanship that I know very little about. It’s a great read, which starts off slowly, perhaps giving a hint of Bill’s personality, but he soon warms up!
A Paipo Interview with William "Bill" Clymer
Boatbuilder, oar maker, surfboard and paipo pioneer
Adapted from an Oral Interview by Frances Harpur on May 18, 1996. Sydney, Australia. Sound Recording Interview courtesy of Warringbah Council Library and with the approval of his son, Matt Clymer, and daughter, Elizabeth Lewis. Annotated information and additional research by Bob Green.
Just as surfboard manufacturing was about to take off with the transition from wood to foam & fiberglass, William "Bill" Clymer would drop out of the industry and stick with making wooden oars and surf boats. Clymer would become a name synonymous with building surf boats, a tradition carried on today by his son, Matt. Bill Clymer not only made surf boats but rowed them as well. Unbeknownst to most are the bellyboards designed and built by Bill Clymer.
This biographical account of Bill Clymer's (BC) surfing and life experiences is based upon a recorded interview conducted in 1996 by Frances Harpur. It is one of many oral history interviews by Frances Harpur (FH) which are held by the Warringbah Council Library. The Harpur interview is supplemented with additional information provided by Bill Clymer's son and daughter, Matt and Elizabeth, respectively, and other information obtained in the course of Bob Green's research.
FH // I'm speaking with Mr. Bill Clymer and it's Saturday the 18th of May, 1996. Mr. Clymer would you like to tell me where you were born?
BC // In Melbourne, on the 12th of August 1923.
FH // Did you go to school there?
BC // Yes, I went to Brighton Grammar, then Melbourne Grammar and finished up at Geelong Grammar.
FH // How did you eventually become involved in boat building?
BC // I was building boats when I was at school and selling them - small boats.
FH // What type of boats were they, sailing boats, rowing boats?
BC // Sailing boats and rowing boats.
FH // What size?
BC // Designing them. Only small boats. One-man boats, two-man. That sort of thing.
Bill Clymer with a finished wave ski, ca. 1958-60. Photo courtesy of Matt Clymer & Elizabeth Lewis.
FH // Did you have any training or was it just an aptitude?
BC // It was an aptitude. I was always keen on wood working and tools. And we had a very good carpentary teacher at Geelong Grammar where I was. He taught me a lot about the use of tools and so on. I left school when I was 16. I was no good at schoolwork. The war had started and I knew I would become involved, sooner or later. So I went to droving in Queensland with the cattle, to the Northern Territory,down to Bourke in New South Wales in those years. I did two of those trips and then I came to Sydney and I lived there for a time and joined up in 1942, when I was in Sydney. They transferred me to Melbourne, so when I went down there. I was a VX during the war.
When I joined up first I was in the Signals mob. We were posted over to Western Australia because they considered the Japanese would do as they had done all through the islands, attack both sides, at once. I'd had enough of that so I transferred into a commando mob, Z Special Unit. I was with them 'til the end of the war. Myself and a naval lieutenant were the last ones to operate the one-man submarines, the "Sleeping Beauties." Because of the abortive raid on Singapore, the second raid, they weren't very well known, they were still on the secret list, highly secret. We were sworn to secrecy about them. All we did with them in the end was shore reconnaissance because the American submarines had the Japanese shipping around Borneo and the Philipines all tied up.
Sleeping Beauty. Source: In a report on the Sleeping Beauty Project (Anderson, 2010)
After the Sleeping Beauties became redundant I went to the Black Snake, which was one of the fleet of Snake Boats - all named after snakes. The most well known one of course, was the Krait, which is now in the Maritime Museum in Sydney. That was the one that did the first raid on Singapore. I was on the Black Snake and the naval lieutenant who was in charge of me, he went on to the River Snake. These were trawler hulls with a false stern put on them and rigged like a junk but with a Gray marine diesel in them and an Oerlikon gun, down aft.
These smaller Snake boats were kept going with two larger ones that supplied them. There was the Anaconda and the Mother Snake. They were considerably bigger with more crew and more room for supplies. We were also restocked at various places from drops, from aircraft, storepedoes as they were called, with food and so on in them.
Black Snake (left) and Tiger Snake (right)- Australian War Memorial.
After the war ended, after the atomic bomb was dropped, of course, then we were put on to the strength of the 9th division because the 93 operatives in Borneo that accounted for more Japanese than the 6th, 7th and 9th divisions combined. So we had to wait and we finally came home on the Manoora, which was a passenger ship around the Australian coast that turned into a naval vessel during the war.
I quickly pulled a few strings and got out of the Army quite quickly, afterwards and started going down to Torquay which is the other side from Portsea. Not so boisterous a surf, but very big waves just the same. That's when we started riding the boards and so on then. In those days, quite long boards, over 16-foot some of them were.
FH // And heavy?
BC // Mainly hollow, which I was making and selling at the time down at Torquay, and even sending some to Sydney. And making surfboat oars as well and sending them to Sydney. Eventually my wife and myself decided that as Sydney was more or less the top place for boat building in Australia and where all the new ideas and that came from, that it would be more advantageous if we moved there, which we did in 1957.
Bill with a half made racing surf ski, ca. 1958-1960 courtesy of Matt Clymer and Elizabeth Lewis.
BC // I found a little factory in Manly Vale and it backed right onto the old tip, that was there at the time. I had over six months work in front of me all the time making surf boat oars so I couldn't do anything else at the time. But I'd still make the hollow, shortboards then, that had come in. They came into Australia because in 1956, when the Olympic Games were in Melbourne, the Americans brought out these shortboards and we saw how much more manoeuvrable and more fun they were than the old boards that we virtually only just came straight in on. After these hollow ply ones which we made, some balsa became available and we found out straight away that it was far a better medium than the hollow boards which tend to bounce, especially coming down on a large wave. If there was a bit of chop there it would throw you off. That was the start of the balsa industry. There was Gordon Woods, myself, several others who started making those shorter boards.
Matt Clymer and Elizabeth Lewis with some plywood surf ski's and long boards built by Bill Clymer, ca. 1960. Courtesy of Matt Clymer & Elizabeth Lewis.
FH // Mr. Clymer, as this was an infant industry were there many people involved?
Not very many in the early days. There was Gordon Woods, Bill Wallace and myself, were the main ones. There was Roger Kieran. He was the first one to build a balsa board, but after we discovered that the balsa was a far better thing everybody got the balsa. At one stage I was possibly the biggest builder of surfboards in Australia, but only for a short time. Then they became blonding their hair and smoking the marijuana. About this time the foam starting coming. When the foam medium of making the boards came in I left the industry altogether and concentrated on the oars and subsequently started making the surf boats.
Clymer bellyboard. Matt Clymer advises that "the first one was 3-foot long and was a similar shape to the later ones he made in the photos. The later ones were about 4-foot long for better performance—more buoyancy."
FH // Did you export any boats overseas when you made the surf boats. Did you export them to any other county?
BC // We've sent quite a few over the years to South Africa, one or two to New Zealand. I think they make their own there now. I think there is one or two of our boats in England, even
FH // Is there a different wood used in different countries, or is the same wood used to make the boats?
BC // Well as far as I know, there has never been an Australian style surf boat made anywhere in the world, except Australia. They do have those wooden dories that they paddle with sort of a canoe type paddle, in the States. I think they may have oars, some of them, but they're entirely different.
FH // You said you didn't know the reason for Australian surf boat being different?
BC // The Australian surf boat evolved. The first real one that came—we have these old pictures of the Sly Brother of Manly. But they weren't real surf boats, they were fishing boats. The first real surf boat that came to Australia was designed on a Norwegian lifesaving boat. They were 18-foot long and eventually old Fred Notting, who is long since dead, from Manly, designed one with four thwarts [see note 2]. Before that two people sat in the midship thwarts with one with an oar out one side and an one out the other. Then there was the bow and the stroke. But then that necessitated making the boats longer and then they finished up 22 feet, 6 inches long rather than 18-foot. Eventually they got longer because people wanted them to go quicker. Then the tuck stern was introduced by a boat builder up in Newcastle, Tom Humphries. Eventually they reached 26-foot which they are today. The Surf Life Saving Association then disallowed them to be made any longer or any narrower, with less freeboard than they have now.
Bill's first surfboat, 1964. Courtesy of Matt Clymer and Elizabeth Lewis.
FH // Was the surf boat used for club prestige in carnivals or was it really effective in surf rescue?
BC // The surf boat was of course the only rescue medium other than surfboards and surf skis in the early days, or up until recently. Of course, now they are supplanted really by rubber duckies and helicopters, and those sort of things. But now the tradition of racing them has kept going. The same could be said for the surf skis, which are narrow, long and skinny and not very good for life saving but they still keep going and keep the people fit in the surf clubs.
Bill Clymer in surf boats. Photos courtesy of Matt Clymer and Elizabeth Lewis.
FH // So is the beltman only used for single rescues?
BC // The beltman, of course, has gone out altogether now. They've proved that taking the belt though the water has killed more people than it has saved.
FH // Too dangerous?
BC // Too dangerous, if the line gets caught under rocks. That's the end of the poor beltman.
FH // Which surf clubs have you been personally involved with along the foreshore?
BC // Well, I was a member of Manly ever since I came back to Sydney. But my first sweeping of a surfboat in Sydney was at North Bondi. I was a friend with the legendary "Spaz" Hurst and he was sweeping the 'A' crew there and I was sweeping the 'B' crew for a year. We won more races than any other 'B' crew in that particular year that I was there. As a matter of fact, the crew that I trained there, "Spaz" Hurst said there was an 'A' crew up in Mooloolaba and I won the Australian with them. After that I was back in Manly because the sweep at Manly, Johnny Windshuttle had a scuffle with the president, so he was given the boot and they had nobody, so I had to go and sweep the boat at Manly. I was two years at Manly. We got in the Australian final both years. One was a big sea at Merewether and the next year was the still water down in South Australia, At Moana. Then Queenscliff asked me to go down there. I'd given over my sweeping at Manly to the younger people and so I went and started them, and eventually they won an Australian title with the crew I started witht Queenscliff.
FH // Since that time you've watched some of our younger surfers become internationally well known. How were you involved with that besides the manufacturing?
BC // I was always keen on board riding myself and in those early days, Midget Farrelly and all those people, I was up with that. I think it was the second board contest that they held in Australia that I was a judge with Gordon Woods and I can't remember the third bloke. The three of us would go together and give so many points for each ride that the board riders had on the waves.
Bill was a judge at this competition. He also made many of the boards. Photos courtesy of Matt Clymer & Elizabeth Lewis.
FH // No sponsors in those days?
BC // No sponsors in those days.
FH // Why could they be managed then with no sponsor?
BC // Well, I don't know.
FH // No prize money?
BC // Old Snow McAlister used to put up a few signs saying "Board Contest here" and so on and the crowd would turn up, righto, and off you go.
FH // What year was that?
BC // That would be 1962 or 1963, around about that. I'm not much on times.
FH // That's alright, that just gives an idea. What year did sponsorship begin?
BC // I really don't know. As I say, I left the surfboard industry and became involved making the surf boats and oars, and I really didn't take much notice what happened with the board riders after that, as far as competition goes and sponsorships and so on. I still kept riding the boards myself until recent years.
Snow McAlister commissioned BIll Clymer to build a replica of Sprint Walker's 1920s board. McAlister, Snow. (1974, October). Sprint Walker ... he buried his board in the sand. Tracks Magazine
FH // Whereabouts did you ride?
BC // Anywhere. I used to go out with old Snow McAlister a bit, out White Rock. White Rock on Long Reef, on the Collaroy side there. How it stays white, I don't know, no barnacles cling to it. Which is strange. How the hell did it get there.
FH // In these competitions which you held, how many competitors would there have been?
BC // Well it did vary of course, generally speaking, only about 20.
FH // Were they all local or did they come from Australia-wide?
BC // I'd say about all around here, the northern beaches and from the Sydney area.
Tamarama, Bondi and so on.
FH // Fairly young?
BC // Fairly young people, some getting on a bit.
FH // What do you call getting on?
BC // Some of them like Bluey Mayes and those notable characters that were 35, 40.
Bluey Mayes with two bellyboards in the foreground. One of the bellyboards is believed to be owned by Leigh Tingle. This board was made by Gordon Woods in 1958. Photo courtesy John Sullivan and Dan Webber,
FH // Were there any girls competing in those days?
BC // None that I can remember competed and there were very few girl board riders. I can only remember one, down at Manly—Judy Cameron. She was be the only one I can think of at the moment who got out on the boards at all.
FH // Well these days, of course, they have contests for the women and for the males. Do you ever think that they ever will compete in the same competition, against one another?
BC // I doubt very much. The men are more aggressive board riders and thinking of new ways, reentries and all that. Pretty old hat, the girls even do that now. They're some fantastic tricks now, the male board riders. I can't see, at this stage that they would compete against one other.
FH // Have you ever had that adrenalin rush of being pushed to the absolute limit?
BC // Yes, it's a great feeling. One time that I can remember was at Merewether, in the Australian there. In the heat we had some very good crews against us. We turned the boat buoys first and we came in and this huge wave came in. I said, "We'll have this one," and we rowed, and then somehow the wave greened off and I said, "Touch her away hard." And then we were almost vertical when we got on it and rowed it to the beach. It was a fantastic wave. I turned around and all the rest of the crews were just turning the buoys.
Another time. I had been working. It was a Saturday and a girl was over from Melbourne staying with Shirley, my wife. And we went to the Harbord Hotel for a drink and glancing down the road I could see there was a huge surf on. So I said, "Let's go down and look at this." When we got down there, my friend Brian O'Callagan, was rubbing down a boat behind the boatshed. So I said, "What are you doing here, the waves are out there?" So he said, "Come on." So we got three juniors—one was Zombie Knox—I can't remember the other two.
We finally got out at the northern point, it took us quite some time. In the meantime, Bill Marsh, who is Kim Marsh's father, he had a movie camera and he came along positioned himself up along, outside Harbord Diggers and filmed us on this huge wave. It had three big steps on it and Brian O'Callaghan handled the boat very well and she came down the third step and the wave broke and the boat broke, right down the middle. An oar popped up near me, I was running out of breath at the time, so I grabbed hold of the oar and I was first to reach the beach.
Bluey Mayes with two bellyboards in the foreground. One of the bellyboards is believed to be owned by Leigh Tingle. This board was made by Gordon Woods in 1958. Photo courtesy John Sullivan and Dan Webber,
FH // So you didn't have any casualties?
BC // No casualties, nobody hurt, except the boat.
FH // That was a big loss then.
BC // So I got home. The children came running out. They said, "Guess what, the 2SM shark plane just reported that the Freshie cracked a big wave and that the boat has broken in half." And I said, "Yeah and here is the seat that I sat on."
FH // Is there anything that you have considered a first?
BC // We could have been the first ones to have cracked Bells Beach in Victoria, about 2 or 3 miles along the coast from Torquay. We rowed the surfboat around there and cracked quite a big wave. It's a pretty hairy ride in a surfboat cause you've got to go hard right, otherwise you finish on the rocks. We managed to go through the top of the wave without landing on the sand, on that particular time. Whether we were the first ones or not I'm not quite too sure. There were two ski paddlers down there, Owen Yateman and Brian Begg. They were about the same time. Whether they were first or we were first in the surfboat, I don't know.
FH // Do you think the type of person that's been interested in the surfboards, surfing and the competition involved has changed much over the years?
BC // Basically these are people who love the sea and the surf.
Further information
The interview continues for another 8-1/4 minutes, covering a range of topics including: how the northern beaches compare to the rest of the world, dune regeneration, the decrease in shark fatalities and shark stories, the mistake the Surf Life Saving movement made not accepting surfboards and the decline in surf club participation, and the "surfie" image improving.
Matt Clymer has provided addiitional information about his father: "... his parents were Americans. James Clymer was from Chicago and Dorothy Reimer Clymer hailed from California. Bill was born in good old Australia. Father was also a fanatical skier. He skied before the War at Mt. Hotham and travelled to Steamboat Springs, Colorado, every year until about 2000. Dad was a Life Member of Manly Life Saving Club and is also in the Hall of Fame of the Australian Surfboat Rowers League."
Bill died in 2004. Clymer Boats is operated out of Brookvale, by Bill's son, Matt.
So, If you’ve got this far, and are perhaps interested in taking over the custodianship of the 2nd Abbotsford Port Neptune Sea Scouts, Bill Clymer historic Boat the GET IN TOUCH!